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PostPosted: 2008-01-07 17:13:06
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I bought my wife a Garmin 510 (with Trafficmaster) just before
Christmas. Weve checked for updated maps - ours are seemingly the latest.

In many areas, the unit comes up with very sensible results, but in two,
simple, rural areas that we know well, it produces ludicrous routes - so
bad that I wouldnt trust it in an area that I didnt know (which, of
course, is the whole point of the thing).

ERROR 1: Cumbria

Heading for Ambleside from Kendal on the direct A591, the unit wanted to
send us northwards at the village of Ings. It was really keen on doing
this - even after ignoring the first right turn, it recalculated and
tried to get us to take the next right.

The snag is that there are only two conceivable routes between Ings and
Ambleside: the direct A591, or a very long detour via the top of the
Kirkstone Pass (at an altitude of nearly 1500 feet). This is a
ridiculous detour at any time except when the main road is seriously
jammed - which happens for an hour or two on peak summer days only.

Ignoring the instructions, the unit quite happily tracked our
(traffic-free) progress along the A591, so it isnt as if it didnt know
there was a direct route. What was it playing at?

ERROR 2: Derbyshire

Heading to Buxton from Ashbourne, there is a direct (and mostly very
straight) main road, the A515. The Garmin was rather keen that we went
via the village of Alstonefield, several miles off the main road. I like
Alstonefield very much, but not when trying to get from Ashbourne to
Buxton. The unit was so keen on the Alstonefield diversion that it was
urging diversions in that direction even as we approached the centre of
Buxton.

I am staggered at such bad results. Have we been incredibly unlucky in
finding two errors in our first few days of use - or is the Garmin
mapping (or routing algorithm) seriously dodgy?

John Geddes
Derbyshire


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PostPosted: 2008-01-07 17:45:54
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On 2008-01-07, John Geddes wrote:

> I am staggered at such bad results. Have we been incredibly unlucky in
> finding two errors in our first few days of use - or is the Garmin
> mapping (or routing algorithm) seriously dodgy?

Basically all the sat nav units can produce some iffy results so its
always best to do a quick inspection of a route before setting off
just to make sure there are no obvious detours, on the whole however
they do a good enough job although most people could probably think up
a better or similar route given the right maps and enough time --- but
its this fiddling about with maps that were trying to avoid and
sometimes you have to pay for the convenience with some routing
decisions made on bad data. Ive been using satnavs for a long time
and theyre not spot on but certainly good enough. The biggest
whoopsies are usually easy to spot.

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PostPosted: 2008-01-07 17:51:11
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On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:13:06 +0000, John Geddes wrote
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> I bought my wife a Garmin 510 (with Trafficmaster) just before
> Christmas. Weve checked for updated maps - ours are seemingly the latest.
>
> In many areas, the unit comes up with very sensible results, but in two,
> simple, rural areas that we know well, it produces ludicrous routes - so
> bad that I wouldnt trust it in an area that I didnt know (which, of
> course, is the whole point of the thing).
>
> ERROR 1: Cumbria
>
> Heading for Ambleside from Kendal on the direct A591, the unit wanted to
> send us northwards at the village of Ings. It was really keen on doing
> this - even after ignoring the first right turn, it recalculated and
> tried to get us to take the next right.
>
> The snag is that there are only two conceivable routes between Ings and
> Ambleside: the direct A591, or a very long detour via the top of the
> Kirkstone Pass (at an altitude of nearly 1500 feet). This is a
> ridiculous detour at any time except when the main road is seriously
> jammed - which happens for an hour or two on peak summer days only.
>
> Ignoring the instructions, the unit quite happily tracked our
> (traffic-free) progress along the A591, so it isnt as if it didnt know
> there was a direct route. What was it playing at?
>
> ERROR 2: Derbyshire
>
> Heading to Buxton from Ashbourne, there is a direct (and mostly very
> straight) main road, the A515. The Garmin was rather keen that we went
> via the village of Alstonefield, several miles off the main road. I like
> Alstonefield very much, but not when trying to get from Ashbourne to
> Buxton. The unit was so keen on the Alstonefield diversion that it was
> urging diversions in that direction even as we approached the centre of
> Buxton.
>
> I am staggered at such bad results. Have we been incredibly unlucky in
> finding two errors in our first few days of use - or is the Garmin
> mapping (or routing algorithm) seriously dodgy?
>

I dont understand this at all. I have a Garmin 2610 and I tried both your
routes on my unit (using the faster route option). In both cases it gave
the obvious route that you have suggested i.e. Kendal to Ambleside via the
A591; Ashbourne to Buxton on the A515.

I imagine Garmin use the same routing algorithm on all their units so as I
say I cant explain your results. Are you sure you have not inadvertently set
some preference or avoidance on your unit? On my 2610 for example you can set
a preference to avoid main roads which might well produce your results.

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PostPosted: 2008-01-07 22:25:16
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John Geddes wrote in message
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>I bought my wife a Garmin 510 (with Trafficmaster) just before Christmas.
>Weve checked for updated maps - ours are seemingly the latest.
>
> ERROR 1: Cumbria
>
> Heading for Ambleside from Kendal on the direct A591, the unit wanted to
> send us northwards at the village of Ings.


> ERROR 2: Derbyshire
>
> Heading to Buxton from Ashbourne, there is a direct (and mostly very
> straight) main road, the A515. The Garmin was rather keen that we went via
> the village of Alstonefield, several miles off the main road.

I tried simulating both these journeys on my StreetPilot C510 and my N


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